Friday, 7 March 2008

What do we really NEED?

In the com box of a recent post on Marriage and sexual tension Lyl said

"I would say that strictly speaking there is no "need" for sex(since a human being can certainly live without it, whereas we must have air, water, food and sleep to live)"
Which reflects any number of similar comments suggesting that sex is a luxury, not a necessity of life. Or, to be fair to Lyl, that sex is not a 'need' of human beings. In support of such statements people usually offer God's call to celibate religious to remain sex-less as evidence that human beings can not only live without sex but can be utterly fulfilled in a vocation which,by definition, is without it. The commentator "Z" offered an even more interesting supporting argument. That is
"A certain Mary and Joseph had a sexless marriage.....The most sacred of all marriages in history."
Very true. The problem is that this marriage is unique in it's nature and cannot be compared in this way to ours by it's very uniqueness. I am not casting any dispersions on that holy family, but should any other couple report an entirley sexless marriage, it would be legitimately declared as invalid for never having been consumated! I repeat, I am NOT suggesting this is true of Mary and Joseph, just that their marriage is so unique by virtue of God's amazing and gracious intervention that we cannot use their marriage as a proper example in regards to the need for couples to express their love intimately save in the general lessons of self control, purity, self sacrifice and chastity in marriage.

In answer to Lyls comment, I respond that we are in grave danger of neglecting a great number of human 'goods' if our only criterea for identifying needs is that we would die without them. Do we need, for example, a good reputation? Do we need people to speak the truth about us, rather than bear false witness? Sicks and stones... and all that jaz! I will still be alive after someone slanders me, so why would Catholic philosophers and the catechism talk about our good name as a basic human good? Because it is not enough to go on breathing in order to be fully human! Life is not the ultimate good which trumps all others. In fact, if we had to choose between the good of our life and the good of marriage, the Church holds up the example of matyrs such as Maria Goretti (pictured above) who chose to obey the commandment protecting the good of marriage above her own life!

Human beings need more stuff than the basic sustinence required to keep breathing, in order to be fully human. John Paul II spoke of the need for meaningful employment being a necessary part of fulfilling the dignity of a human person. We all acknowledge, from psychologists to theologians that we are relational beings and we lack something fundamental if we are cut off from all human contact. We may keep breathing, but our full humanity is undermined. I strongly recommend Harley's book on emotional needs of men and women. He points out that, while for a majority of women conversation, non-sexual touch, family committment (romantic dinners) and such things are recieved as full expressions of love by women, they rarely mean the same thing to men. In fact, for men these things are efforts made primarily for the wife's benefit. They are, I should add hastily, efforts offered joyfully and eagerly as expressions of love from husband to his wife, but if the same tings are offered in return they simply don't have the same effect on men.

And this is the point I keep trying to drive at; Men recieve love differently. The ways which men recieve love have been routinely derided in feminist circles and routinely neglected in Catholic circles. In affirming the ways men recieve love I do not in any way disregard all other ways of recieving love nor suggest that women should be slaves to mens needs. Raising awareness of needs is an attempt to provide women with the opportunity to love thier husbands in ways which their husbands more fully and completely recieve it.

Now, let us return to the question of whether men need sex. If a man isn't intimate for a day, a week, a month, or even years ... he is still breathing. No problem? It depends. Is he a priest? Is he committed to a celibate life and therefore committing himself nuptually to the Church and therefore recieving the grace of that voctaion and all it's divine help?

Let me use a different example to help me explain. Women love to communicate. Harley is far from alone when he identifies one of the key ways a woman recieves love is to be heard, especially by their husband. If a woman is able to share the details of her day, her emotional state, the way she feels about fake fur and anything on her mind, and she feels she has 'connected' with her husband on this, it is extremely affirming for her and a strong contribution to their shared love (from her perspective). From the guys perspective it often takes effort and concentration to give her this gift of love, especially after a long hard day

Can a woman live without communication? Well, yes, an enclosed nun may live in silence most of her life and still be breathing, even thriving! That nun, however, has not neglected communication. She has merely comitted herself utterly to intimacy with God! What about the wife? Could a wife survive without communication? If her husband refused to talk with her at all for a day? Sure, she's still breathing. What if he refused for a month. She's still breathing. He's in the doghouse by now but she is still breathing! What if he didn't speak with her for 2 years? Yes she would still be breathing, but in what state would their marriage be

So do they need to talk? I would say they do, and even though the man could survive longer without it, even he must have this ongoing intimacy for the marriage to survive.

St Paul, even when suggesting it might be a good thing for some to be celibate, if they have the ability or gift, instructs couples NOT to deprive each other of sexual intimacy because it leads to temptation (1 Cor 7:5). He makes only the exception of a brief period of agreed abstinence for the purpose of prayer.

In regards to many situations where mutally agreed abstinence is practiced for grave reasons, I have already addressed this in several posts. This is a different matter entirely. Agreeing to do so is very different from being routinely rejected or neglected by a wife capable of giving herself to her husband in this way.

7 comments:

Bob Catholic said...

Just to point out the obvious: individual humans may not but the human race does!

This is not Huxley's Brave New World or Orwell's 1984!!!!

LYL said...

I suppose I was trying to point out that if we say sex per se is a need then that rather implies that all people should be able to have it whenever they like, which is most certainly not consistent with Catholic morality!

You will recall, I hope, that I made the distinction between sexual intimacy in marriage and just sex between whomever. Within marriage, as I think I stated in the combox, there is definitely a need for sexual intimacy within marriage, because that is how God made marriage. As a woman, it helps me enormously to think of sex within marriage as "sexual intimacy." This has to do, I think, with my femininity, but also my former life experiences, some of which were not so good (though not hideously bad).

What I am most emphatically *not* saying is that married men can just go take a hike.

I could wish that you had written a post about some of my other remarks! (Which were, after all, in support of what you're trying to say).

Would it help if I said that all human beings have a need for intimacy and that within marriage, there is a need for both sexual and non-sexual intimacy?

LYL said...

Ultimately I don't actually disagree with anything you wrote in this post, I just find it easier to think of sexual intimacy.

JimmyV said...

Excellent elaboration Peter. Any lyl, thanks for clarifying your statement, since I haven't acutally read the initial discussion.

chimakuni said...

Pete - you wrote, "In regards to many situations where mutally agreed abstinence is practiced for grave reasons, I have already addressed this in several posts. This is a different matter entirely. Agreeing to do so is very different from being routinely rejected or neglected by a wife capable of giving herself to her husband in this way."

The key words that jump out at me here are "routinely rejected or neglected by ..."

So - are you writing about rejection and neglect?

Agreed, men and women view intimacy differently. A man may for instance tell a woman that he loves her so that he can be intimate with her. A woman will be intimate with a man so that he will love her.

There is a huge difference between how things are viewed by the different sexes. The feminists, wrong as they were and are, tried to make women be like men - to be totally open sexually and to be able to be sexually active without the fear of pregnancy, ergo the birth control pill and abortions.

Men and women are different - our hormones are different. We are not like men in our thinking - nor are men like us in their thinking.

What's to say that a person cannot ask for the grace not to feel rejected or neglected in a marriage that is not sexually fulfilling? We do not, after all, try on our partners prior to marriage if we are following the Church's teachings. There is, believe me, a thing such as sexual incapatibility.

What is to say that a woman cannot ask for the grace to desire to accept the intimacy her husband gives to her?

My friend, I do believe that this is all an age old topic and will continue long after our children are great-great-great grandparents and musing over the same things.

Rebekka said...

I live in Denmark and am a nursing student. Here the idea of "sex as a need" is used to justify care personnel calling prostitutes to public institutions to satisfy the "needs" of the elderly and the ill (mentally or physically).

If sex is a NEED then we have a right to have that need met, a right based on our innate dignity as humans. But what then of the dignity of the other who is used to satisfy that need? In a marriage that isn't a problem (we hope) - but for those who are outside marriage, who have lost their spouse, are old, sick, unattractive...

I would say that sex itself is not a need, but sexuality is. We should always respect others' sexuality, but they do not always have a right to act upon it.

Peter said...

I suppose I was trying to point out that if we say sex per se is a need then that rather implies that all people should be able to have it whenever they like, which is most certainly not consistent with Catholic morality!

You are quite right Lyl, to point out that my emphasis may very well be misconstrued to support the whole "let them all have sex 'cos they all need it" argument. I apologise for seeming to paint your comment badly, I believe we are in agreement but emphasising different aspects.

I do think several commentors have put their finger on the issue when they speak of 'intimacy' because that is what I'm talking about. A man may feel like sex sometimes, but what he needs is intimacy. This intimacy is not purely mechanical, nor a function of pure biology. It is a deep need to share oneself utterly and completely with another person. The issue is that men and women give and recieve themselves most potently in certain ways, and they are not all the same ways! So when I speak of male need for sexual intimacy, I mean to speak of ONE of the ways in which men give and receive that intimacy which can only and ever be achieved when comitted to one person for life.

Neither can it be about purely mechanical timetables, ("I must have it 3 times a week" is not possible in many circumstances). Like all ways of sharing intimacy between a husband an d a wife, it must be planned for, prioritised and be subject to patience and forgiveness when circumstances dictate otherwise.